Talk:World War II

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Error on 4.1 Events Leading up to the War in Europe

Should be Events Following the war in Europe

Events Leading up to the War in Europe

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As early as the 1920's Poland was trying to go back to war with Germany.

The following comes from the pages of Ilustrowany Kurjer Codzienny, the largest Polish newspaper of the time, on the date April 20th, 1929:

"To absorb all of East Prussia into Poland and to extend our western borders to the Oder and Neisse rivers, that is our goal. It is within reach, and at this moment it is the Polish people's great mission. Our war against Germany will make the world pause in amazement."[1]

"There will be no peace in Europe until all Polish lands shall have been restored completely to Poland, until the name Prussia, being that of a people long since gone, shall have been wiped from the map of Europe, and until the Germans have moved their capital Berlin farther westwards."[2]

Additionally one might add that the English funded Poland to raise an army, which they then mobilized on the 30th of August, 1939, two days before the German invasion on September 1st. The mobilizing of an army is often times seen as the declaration of war on neighboring countries.

  1. Mocarstwowice, Polish newspaper, November 5th, 1930, quoted in Kanada Kurier, September 2nd, 1999.
  2. Henryk Baginski, Poland and the Baltic, Edinburgh 1942. Quoted in Bolko Frhr. v. Richthofen, Kriegsschuld 1939-1941, p. 81, Kiel: Arndt, 1994.

--Stormergeddon 03:05, 12 August 2014 (CEST)

Holocaust

Since I do not believe in the Holocaust, I do not think it should be the lead subject of this article. If it should be mentioned at all, it should be discussed at the end of the article.NatAll75 02:11, 16 September 2007 (CEST)

I agree that it shouldn't be so prominent. I would suggest merging any useful text from the first section into the rest of the article and the Holocaust article if desirable. Hoder 19:59, 16 September 2007 (CEST)

Pictures

So many pictures that did not upload correctly. Whoever created this page may want to fix these problems. CHM8318

I have deleted ALL of the old images, on the grounds they were in-valid. I will start to paste new images up and could use some help. User:CHM8318

I have cleaned some of this article up. Erased all the in-valid Templates, they can be re-installed at a later date. Its a very good article and it saddened me every time I viewed it to see in-valid images and templates. CHM8318

Second Sino-Japanese War

I have read that Mao and the Chinese Communists, throughout the war, were involved in operations against the Kuomintang and much later Mao even "thanked" the Japanese for the invasion. This seems very odd, since if that happened in Europe, the people would be accused of supposed "collaborationism". Was this just a nihilist desire to see as many Chinese killed as possible, or the covert hand of the Soviets trying to prolong the war, balancing both sides, for fear of a clear and quick victor (Kuomintang or Imperial Japanese) potentially opening a second front against the Kremlin? - Basileus 09:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

The bolshevistic point of view is, that everything, that advances bolshevism (or talmudism, if you prefer) is good, and everything, that disadvances bolshevism or talmudism, is bad. This is a completely universal point of view, no matter where they are. For example in Hungary bolshevists said, that it does not matter at all, that Romania occupied half Hungary, since they are also a socialistic country, while the fact, that Austria has also stolen Hungarian area, is not so good, since these are not a "socialist" country. They even teached this enormous wisdom in schools. From their point of view this is a clear and logical behaviour.
In case of China, Mao said, Japanese invasion helped to establish bolshevistic rule, since it caused disorder and chaos, that made bolshevistic advancement easier, therefore it is good. BTW, I do not think, that Japanese killed many Chinese for fun. I think, that is just talmudistic propaganda, see Nanking Massacre.
The word "collaborationism" is, what usually talmudists use, if the hated and despised non-jews support anything, that is not so much in talmudic interest.
Hu1 09:17, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Beginning as a global war (World War)

@Basileus: Before you will ask: The war as a global war had begun by the declaration of war to Germany by England and France at 3 September 1939. The polish campaign two days before was a self-defense by Germany against the polish attacks. Without that declaration by England and France the world would be in peace until now. The polish campaign had ended three weeks later. --Rauhreif 22:34, 22 March 2011 (CET)

Poland

"France and Britain promised Poland that they would come to her immediate aid if anything occured. Given this privilage, Poland began to act foolishly. Polish ruffians began attacking German civilians who lived in Poland, in the area that used to be part of Germany before World War I."

Wow, that's just too much. Poland never acted "foolishly" nor there were any attacks on the "German civilians who lived in Poland". Germans used sabotage against Poland as early as since 1933 blowing up the train stations for example. Poland never wanted any war as the country was 20 years old after over 120 years of disappearance due to the 'partitions'. German idea of Drang nach Osten wasn't anything new to the Eastern Europeans and Poles particularly (first documented invasion of Poland by the Germans resulted in battle of Cedynia on 24 June 972). Do not rewrite history, Germans always wanted to expand. --RFY2Q 23:08, 24 February 2012 (CET)

The year 972 is almost 1000 years earlier... I have read the book The forced war by Hoggan. This book confirms that the Polish governement at the time acted foolishly and that it should have sat around the negotiation table with Germany about the Danzig question. But that it was incited by the promise of British help to Poland in case of a German attack, no matter what the reason for such an attack would be... (Galileo 00:23, 25 February 2012 (CET)).
As I mentioned before, ever heard of Drang nach Osten? "Poor Germans" had to invade Poland since 1000 years... Adolf Hitler said on 7th February 1944: It is eastwards, only and always eastwards, that the veins of our race must expand. It is the direction which Nature herself has decreed for the expansion of the German peoples. The myth of German minority oppressed in Poland was used by the Nazis to invade and nearly exterminate Poles. For example, as early as since 1933 German volksdeutche living in Poland carried out acts of terrorism by bombing public places (for example, in August of 1939 Germans planted a bomb on the main train station in Tarnów - 18 Poles died as a result of the explosion). Read about Operation Himmler [1]. During the summer of 1939, German armed militias attacked Polish border points (for example in Rybnik, Katowice, Kościerzyna and Mława). On August 26, at 4:15 am Germans from the Bresalu's Abwhera under the command of Albrecht Herzner attacked Przełęcz Jabłonkowska (eng. Jablunkov Pass) but were forced to retreat by the local Polish police units. Blaming Poland, which was 20 years old at that time, for the start of WWII is just ridiculous. --RFY2Q 21:21, 25 February 2012 (CET)
Of course that would indeed be ridiculous. If I remember correctly, Hoggan did amazingly point to a single person on which the start of WW2 can almost entirely be blamed: Lord Halifax. He, according to Hoggan, relentlessly worked behind the scenes to make WW2 happen. This included inciting Poland (or better the Polish government at the time) against Germany. Yes I heard of the term Drang nach Osten; also of Lebensraum, I think these pages should be created on Metapedia to put these terms in perspective. But unlike fuzzy philosophical concepts, the Dantzig question was very concrete, and I understand from Hoggans book that this was a (or the) major reason for the German-Polish war, and that it could have been avoided by negotation (this had something to do with granting Germany a "corridor through a corridor" towards Dantzig.) (Galileo 22:38, 25 February 2012 (CET))
That's why this must be changed. I don't know if you guys realize but Piłsudski and his Sanacja regime had very good relations with the German state. Hitler, admired Piłsudski's leadership and his successful coup. When Piłsudski died, III Reich officially sent condolences to the Polish government. All major German newspapers reported Piłsudski's death for example Völkischer Beobachter wrote: "New Germany will bow its flags before the coffin of this great leader who, as a first statesman in Europe, had courage to openly trust and cooperate with the national-socialist Reich". German national radio broadcasted information about Piłsudski's death with the words that "whole German nation mourns over the death of this Great Pole". Adolf Hitler announced national day of mourning in Germany while all flags were lowered to the half of masts. Hitler also sent personal letter to Piłsudski's wife saying that "Piłsudski will always be remembered as one who stopped the Bolshevik hordes at the gates of Warsaw in 1920." Hitler (among with; Joseph Goebbels, Konstantin von Neurath, high ranking members of the Wehrmacht and SS) also participated in the mass for the Piłsudski's soul on 05.18.1935 Photo of Hitler's participation in the mass. On September 6, 1939 by the Hitler's personal order gen. Werner Kienitz laid flowers on the Piłsudski's casket and German honorary guards were ordered to stand in front of the coffin till the end of war... Piłsudski was a Polish military dictator of Poland from 1926 - 1935. I think that this war was forced upon Poles and Germans, that's why saying that "Poland started it" is ridiculous in my eyes. --RFY2Q 00:55, 11 March 2012 (CET)
Nobody says a bad word about Pilsudski. However, his successors, on the top Josef Beck and also Edward Śmigły-Rydz were documentedly anti German. Also the anti-German atrocities quite well documented were facts. Poland played 1935-39 the role in history, Serbia played 1911-1914. In fact, accomplices of Jewry. Even, if they themselves did not even realize it. Sad but true. Hu1 10:00, 11 March 2012 (CET)
Beck was one of the closest friends of Pilsudski so he sticked to the end with center-pro policy towards the Germans for which he was criticized widely by the Polish nationalists. "Also the anti-German atrocities quite well documented were facts." - Yes, Nazi propaganda is indeed well documented fact so is historical Drang nach Osten and Operation Himmler. "Poland played 1935-39 the role in history" - Tragic history trying to balance between the Nazi Germany and Soviet Union, betrayed by the Western allies and slaughtered by the Nazis and Soviets. Germans had plans on leaving 2 million Poles as a slave labor with no education. From the two evils, it was better for us after the war to be under the Soviets rather than Nazis... Poland in 1939 was 20 years old after 123 years of non-existence; nobody from us wanted any wars. --RFY2Q 23:15, 11 March 2012 (CET)
What you write above is unfortunately Jewish propaganda. The word Nazi itself proofs that. Germans by no means planned enslaving Polish people and the like, but this Jewish propaganda sounds quite well to blame Germans for anything, they did not plan, they did not think and they did not do. I protected the page now, we can discuss here the facts. If you think, Germans planned to enslave anybody, please present for that authentic documents, but not Jewish fabrications, please, if possible. Hu1 23:45, 11 March 2012 (CET)
For Jews was Soviet rule clearly very nice, it was clearly their system, but it was less nice for the rest. Hu1 23:45, 11 March 2012 (CET)

What original sources do we have for specific statements regarding the German government and Slavs, or Poles in particular? Obviously we have to be careful with this because there is a lot of disinformation; "Table Talk" which is commonly used, is not really reliable. It can't be denied that there are some clear cases of a questionable and divisive German policy toward Slavs; Erich Koch in the Ukraine for example, was either a complete moron or working directly for the Soviets. Basileus 00:44, 12 March 2012 (CET)

I uploaded Adolf Hitler's speech to the German Reichstag - September 1, 1939. It clearly shows that the Danzig problem was the major reason for the German war declaration on Poland (because also the corridor problem was related to Danzig). This was also what my impression was after reading Hoggan's book The forced war. I hope this is useful; I do not know a lot about this topic, only read a few books about it. (Galileo 01:53, 12 March 2012 (CET)).
I have read from Udo Walendy a study, where he states, that the allegiated style (Slavs are of less value than others and the like) absolutely never existed in Germany. I also doubt, that poor Erich Koch did any of the allegiated sins. He might have closed schools because of terrorist activities, but unlikely for cultural reasons. He is depicted in Bolshevikipedia as a moron, but that is a picture painted by morons, therefore completely unreliable. "Table talk" is interesting, but also unreliable. Hu1 09:56, 12 March 2012 (CET)

In my mind the user RFY2Q is obviously not informed about the real hystory. Because metapedia wants to write the truth such "authors" should not be write here. --Rauhreif 20:38, 16 February 2013 (CET)

Zionists books! Achtung!

  • I would love to delete all these zionist books on metapedia. One is Second World War (1995) from Martin Gilbert. From wikipedia he Gilbert describes himself as a proud practising Jew and a Zionist. All references from him and his book should be deleted please. --MCMLXXXII 22:32, 28 February 2012 (CET)
  • Also to remove "Weinberg, Gerhard L.A World at Arms: A Global History of World War II (2005) ISBN 0-521-44317-2" wikipedia as the writer is jew. --MCMLXXXII 22:45, 28 February 2012 (CET)

Almost all books there are from jewish writers. --MCMLXXXII 22:53, 28 February 2012 (CET)

unprotected the page; please go ahead (Galileo 22:56, 28 February 2012 (CET)).

I still can't edit, please remove the books listed before and also this:

Daniel Goldhagen, Hitler's Willing Executioners (p. 290) - "2.8 million young, healthy Soviet POWs" killed by the Germans, "mainly by starvation ... in less than eight months" of 1941-42, before "the decimation of Soviet POWs ... was stopped" and the Germans "began to use them as laborers" (emphasis added).

This reference was made by jewish writer Daniel Goldhagen, wikipedia. --MCMLXXXII 23:06, 28 February 2012 (CET)

Be aware when copy things from wikipedia, every reference there is from books made by jewish write. --MCMLXXXII 23:08, 28 February 2012 (CET)

apologies: I previously accidentally did not unprotect the page. Now I really unprotected it. I would appreciate if you could remove the books yourself, because the lists are long, you know where they are located, so you can do it quickly, saves me a lot of time searching through the article. (Galileo 23:14, 28 February 2012 (CET)).

Thank you. --MCMLXXXII 23:28, 28 February 2012 (CET)

Pearl Harbour.

I found this on the article: After the USA tried to bar out Japan from all Asian affaires, on December 7, a Japanese carrier fleet launched an unexpected air attack on Pearl Harbor. We all know the attack was not unexpected at all, zionist americans just wanted U.S.A. to be attacked first to have an excuse to enter in the war. --MCMLXXXII 11:56, 10 March 2012 (CET)

[2]. --MCMLXXXII 12:00, 10 March 2012 (CET)
Added a fix, thanks. Feel free to correct all these bolshevikipedia incorrect statements. Hu1 12:48, 10 March 2012 (CET)

Is this good as putting as a reference?

http://digidownload.libero.it/kcwgnr02/Allegati2006/ArticoloOilWWII.pdf A Wyatt Man 03:29, 8 July 2013 (CEST)

Picture

I think this picture is from WWI: [3]. --MCMLXXXII 00:06, 27 January 2014 (CET)

Agreed. Swapped that with a more appropriate one. Hu1 10:36, 27 January 2014 (CET)

Poland

It says France was their protector since 1919, however during the Polish-Russian war it received help only from Germany. Also Finland during the finnish civil war. --MCMLXXXII 21:58, 21 May 2014 (CEST)

France protected them with their mouth only.
As far as I know, Bolshevistic Soviet Union was the aggressor 1919-1920 and Poland protected itself. Not the other way around, as Greg wrote. Pilsudski was a patriotic hero at that time. Hu1 23:41, 21 May 2014 (CEST)