Talk:Jewish influence

Also in Romania and Lithuania there were considerable Jewish powers. Hu1 11:27, 17 October 2012 (CEST)

In Austria they were also numerous and mighty. (for example Mahler of Freud) Hu1 11:28, 17 October 2012 (CEST)

Yes, Lynn's book has numbers for these and other countries. I will add them in the future. Vir 11:32, 17 October 2012 (CEST)

Robespierre & Danton

I saw a TV program with some French national guests, who stated, that both Robespierre and Danton were Jews, and the whole "French Revolution" was led by Jews. Also national socialists told that all the time, and pointed to the senseless brutality of that revolution. When you read Jewish "historians", they usually praise the "French revolution" in highest tones, indicating, that that was something "tremendous" (in reality: Jewish). Also the fact, that France is that much Paris centred, shows of Jewish influence. Hu1 22:18, 17 October 2012 (CEST)

Quite untrue. The family of Robespierre were robust Roman Catholics who had fled into Picardy, it is said, from Ireland due to the Catholic persecutions of England's Queen Elizabeth 1st's reign. It has been said that the original surname was Robertspeare. Danton likewise was a Roman Catholic. Both were firmly middle-class and both were lawyers. (I refer you to Hillaire Belloc's biography of "Robespierre", London, 1901.)Cicero 15:09, 18 November 2015 (CET)

Politicians

All those politicians who are jews should be put in a separate page and be given a link to from this site. Many of them are unknown or forgotten by the public and of little interest. It can be mentioned that they are quite a few. --Spoof 23:35, 11 January 2016 (CET)

OK I will have a look at that. Cicero 10:43, 12 January 2016 (CET)

Much better :-) --Spoof 21:55, 12 January 2016 (CET)

Anti-Polish material

I note that your extensive anti-Polish smearing in Metapedia least indirectly also extends here, by you in the "Germany" section prominently having added an unsourced starting paragraph with anecdotal evidence on a single individual, saying little on Jewish influence in general, but prominently linking to you anti-Polish smear article on Breslau. Upplysning (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

You tried to delete the above talk page comment, do not do so while there is an ongoing dispute. You added a source in the article itself, but that does not change the other problematic aspects. Upplysning (talk) 17:29, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

There is no "dispute". There is just you. Everything I post or correct is fully and correctly sourced, unlike most of the pages you work on. Matt58 (talk) 09:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Generally regarding this article, you have added a lot of anecdotal evidence regarding individual Jews, which says little regarding Jewish influence in general. Statistics are needed for that. Such anecdotal evidence would likely be better in list articles, such as "List of Jews in ...". Upplysning (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I am not responsible for this page's construction, but anything I have added, as far as I can see, is not at all anecdotal but well sourced or otherwise established fact. Matt58 (talk) 13:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Dubious lists versus statistics

Matt58 has added many lists of individuals claimed to be Jews. The claims are often unsourced. His definition of Jews is unclear, with apparently individuals with only a Jewish grandfather being stated to be Jews. Even if correct, such lists are poor evidence regarding the degree Jewish influence, as they can be dismissed as being cherry-picked and unrepresentative. Even Wikipedia, which extensively avoids mentioning high Jewish influence, has many list articles listing Jews involved in various activities, likely in part because this is so poor evidence of high Jewish influence. Actual statistics are far better. I will move such lists of individuals to the end of the sections, with the more important statistics first. Upplysning (talk) 15:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Germany, Matt58 only lists Ferdinand Lassalle and prominently places him first in the article and prominently links to his anti-Polish smear article on Breslau. That Ferdinand Lassalle is German is not disputed even by Wikipedia. The placement is likely related to Matt58's anti-Polish/anti-Slavic obsession. It looks weird and downplays the more important statistics. Upplysning (talk) 09:34, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Ridiculously outdated 1929 source on Palestine

Matt58 has added a ridiculously outdated 1929 source on Palestine, using this for various dubious claims such as archeological findings, ignoring a century of very extensive archeological and other research on Palestine, also ignoring that it says nothing regarding Jewish influence. Note that this is just one example of many of the editor using extremely outdated sources and ignoring all later research. Upplysning (talk) 09:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Even in 1929, the claim of "no characteristic form of art was ever developed within its borders" was strange, considering literary art in the Jewish Bible and the enormous influence of the Bible on Western arts. Upplysning (talk) 12:24, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

This remains to this day an accurate account of the simple fact that Jews had no art that we know of until their contact with the Western Gentile world when, like all Asiatics, they became copyists of European culture. The Bible's influence on European art is nothing to do with the above statements which relate to Palestine in the ancient world.Matt58 (talk) 15:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

You are denying that at least parts of the Bible is literary art? Regarding physical art and artifacts in Palestine, how about, for example, Jericho, sometimes described as the first town, and associated archeological art objects? Upplysning (talk) 16:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)