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European languages

It seems to me that there is no relationship between many European languages at all. Yet this article keeps suggesting that there is. My book Words - A History of western languages (virtually everything in Europe this side of the Urals), edited by Victor Stevenson, London, 1983, shows very distinctly different languages in Europe. Basque, Finnish and Hungarian, for instance, are said to have no relationship to the Teutonic and Nordic languages, nor to the Slavic family of languages. This book gives "European languages" in their respective groupings but there is much debate about their relationships, given that language structures across Europe are often so fundamentally different as to be alien from each other. While there is consent that the Indo-Europeans' original common homeland was between the Carpathian and Ural mountain ranges, there is considerable debate about a common language base. The modern Baltic languages, Lithuanian and Latvian, for instance, possess Indo-European features that do not appear in other European languages. I really do think we must avoid "fudged" articles. Cicero 13:38, 26 August 2015 (CEST)

There are no claims in the article that all Europeans speak Indo-European languages or that the Indo-European languages are very similar. Also, while there is an association between language and race, they are not identical. Upplysning 16:43, 26 August 2015 (CEST)

The Indo-European page states that "Indo-Europeans were an ethno-linguistic group of people" and I felt the inference was carried on in this page. I don't think there is sufficient evidence to categorise Indo-Europeans by language. Race yes. Cicero 18:22, 26 August 2015 (CEST)

Then that is likely a discussion topic for the Indo-European page. Also, regardless of the status of the ancient Indo-Europeans, they are are not identical with modern Europeans. When they invaded/immigrated they gradually mixed with pre-existing groups. Upplysning 18:47, 26 August 2015 (CEST)

Achievements and Survival

I'm not certain there's even a need for a section "Achievements and Survival." One might make the argument for two separate sections, "Achievements" and "Survival," though, I suppose. We might at some point delete this section altogether or fold the information into other sections based on relevance of the info to the section.

I made some small edits with regard to grammar.

Lastly, with regard to the following:

its continued existence, however, is threatened by mass non-European immigration into predominantly European areas, low birth-rates (caused by contraception and the Abortion Holocaust) and miscegenation.

The parenthetical (caused by contraception and the Abortion Holocaust), I think, needs to be deleted. It inserts a degree of subjective commentary that does not contribute to the article. Also, the term "Abortion Holocaust" is of debatable usage since it is a term not in common use anywhere else that I can recollect reading.

I will wait some time for any contrary opinion. If there is none, I will delete the parenthetical portion. Mencken

I generally agree with much of what you say. I have made some changes. Upplysning 16:51, 5 May 2016 (CEST)

Well, I agree with the comments made about abortion and contraception. Most patriots in Europe agree on this.Cicero 17:55, 5 May 2016 (CEST)


Please unprotect. --Crusader (talk) 20:56, 6 September 2022 (UTC)